{"id":2190,"date":"2026-03-14T06:43:36","date_gmt":"2026-03-14T06:43:36","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/?p=2190"},"modified":"2026-03-15T10:27:53","modified_gmt":"2026-03-15T10:27:53","slug":"josef-ou-joseph","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/sv\/josef-ou-joseph\/","title":{"rendered":"Josef eller Josef?"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Var den korrekta stavningen av f\u00f6rnamnet p\u00e5 den blivande generalkonsuln f\u00f6r Sverige och Norge Josef (p\u00e5 svenska) eller Joseph (p\u00e5 franska)? Vad spelar det f\u00f6r roll, kanske du undrar, och varf\u00f6r denna meningsl\u00f6sa artikel?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Vissa uppteckningar n\u00e4mner det med svensk stavning, andra med fransk, men det \u00e4r f\u00f6delsebeviset som ger svaret. Hans f\u00f6r\u00e4ldrar, Johan Peter (1767-1839) och Inga N\u00e4sbom (1776-1852), hade valt Joseph. <\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"197\" src=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-zoom-1024x197.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2191\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-zoom-1024x197.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-zoom-300x58.jpg 300w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-zoom-768x148.jpg 768w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-zoom-1536x295.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-zoom-2048x394.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-zoom-18x3.jpg 18w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-zoom-1320x254.jpg 1320w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-zoom-350x67.jpg 350w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">F\u00f6delsebok, Stockholm, 2 januari 1809. <\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>F\u00f6delse: dag 2 januari 1809 \u2013 Far: Kamerareren Johan Peter Kuhlman, f\u00f6dd 1767 \u2013 Mor: Inga N\u00e4sbom, 22 \u00e5r (fel i matrikeln ska det st\u00e5 32 \u00e5r gammal) \u2013 Barn: Joseph [Kuhlman] \u2013 Faddrar: Groshandlare [handlare] Dan Schloss, Johan Bolander, Fru Christina Lundstr\u00f6m ( Jyr?, Anna Lundstr\u00f6m).<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>I Sverige vid den tiden var Josef den vanliga formen i svenskspr\u00e5kiga kyrkb\u00f6cker. Anv\u00e4ndningen av Joseph (med \"ph\") i detta register fr\u00e5n 1809 \u00e4r anm\u00e4rkningsv\u00e4rd eftersom det understryker ett l\u00e5ngvarigt franskt inflytande inom familjen, kanske till och med ett vallonskt inflytande (via familjen de Besche, som jag kommer att diskutera strax). Valet av \"Joseph\" (och inte Josef) f\u00f6r att ge sin son namn \u00e5r 1809 skulle kunna \u00e5terspegla familjen Kuhlmans medvetenhet om sitt vallonska\/franska arv \u2013 familjen de Besche var av fransktalande vallonskt ursprung och etablerad i Sverige sedan 1600-talet.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"687\" src=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-1024x687.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2193\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-1024x687.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-300x201.jpg 300w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-768x515.jpg 768w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-1536x1030.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-2048x1374.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-18x12.jpg 18w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-1320x886.jpg 1320w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/acte-de-naissance-de-Joseph-Kuhlman-en-1809-350x235.jpg 350w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><\/figure>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignleft size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"297\" height=\"186\" src=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/censu-maison-Johan-Peter-Kuhlman-1825.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2213\" style=\"width:320px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/censu-maison-Johan-Peter-Kuhlman-1825.png 297w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/censu-maison-Johan-Peter-Kuhlman-1825-18x12.png 18w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 297px) 100vw, 297px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Officiella svenska register kommer alltid att anv\u00e4nda den form som anges i f\u00f6delsebeviset, som i denna folkr\u00e4kning fr\u00e5n 1825 eller detta diplomatregister publicerat 1909.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"728\" height=\"625\" src=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/Konsulat-historik.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2216\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/Konsulat-historik.png 728w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/Konsulat-historik-300x258.png 300w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/Konsulat-historik-14x12.png 14w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/Konsulat-historik-350x300.png 350w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 728px) 100vw, 728px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">F\u00f6rteckning \u00f6ver konsuler och generalkonsuler i Alger fr\u00e5n 1729 till 1907. K\u00e4lla \u201dKommerskollegium och Riksens St\u00e4nders Manufaktur Kontor samt Konsulstaten\u201d utgiven 1907.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignleft size-full is-resized\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"434\" height=\"309\" src=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/mariage-joseph-Kuhlman-et-marie-pauline-carraux-1861-Alger.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2199\" style=\"width:320px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/mariage-joseph-Kuhlman-et-marie-pauline-carraux-1861-Alger.png 434w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/mariage-joseph-Kuhlman-et-marie-pauline-carraux-1861-Alger-300x214.png 300w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/mariage-joseph-Kuhlman-et-marie-pauline-carraux-1861-Alger-18x12.png 18w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/mariage-joseph-Kuhlman-et-marie-pauline-carraux-1861-Alger-350x249.png 350w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 434px) 100vw, 434px\" \/><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>I franska register, som till exempel i Alger vid tiden f\u00f6r hans gifterm\u00e5l med Marie Pauline Carraux den 22 september 1862, st\u00e5r det naturligtvis skrivet Joseph, hans fars f\u00f6rnamn stavades till och med \"Jean Pierre\" ist\u00e4llet f\u00f6r Johan Peter.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Men det hindrade inte Joseph fr\u00e5n att skriva under namnet Josef, vilket framg\u00e5r av detta brev till hans syster, p\u00e5 minsta lilla franska, fr\u00e5n 1866.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image size-large\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"1024\" height=\"644\" src=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/zoom-lettre-de-josef-a-ingeborg-1866-1024x644.jpg\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2204\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/zoom-lettre-de-josef-a-ingeborg-1866-1024x644.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/zoom-lettre-de-josef-a-ingeborg-1866-300x189.jpg 300w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/zoom-lettre-de-josef-a-ingeborg-1866-768x483.jpg 768w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/zoom-lettre-de-josef-a-ingeborg-1866-1536x966.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/zoom-lettre-de-josef-a-ingeborg-1866-2048x1287.jpg 2048w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/zoom-lettre-de-josef-a-ingeborg-1866-18x12.jpg 18w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/zoom-lettre-de-josef-a-ingeborg-1866-1320x830.jpg 1320w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/zoom-lettre-de-josef-a-ingeborg-1866-350x220.jpg 350w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 1024px) 100vw, 1024px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Utdrag ur ett brev fr\u00e5n Josef Kuhlman till sin syster Ingeborg boende i Norrk\u00f6ping, daterat fr\u00e5n Alger den 26 juni 1866. Kungliga arkivet.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>P\u00e5 samma s\u00e4tt anv\u00e4nde han alltid den svenska formen av sitt f\u00f6rnamn i sina m\u00e5nga artiklar som publicerades i svenska tidningar p\u00e5 den tiden. Med ett f\u2026<\/p>\n\n\n<div class=\"wp-block-image\">\n<figure class=\"alignleft size-full\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"403\" height=\"379\" src=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/article-sundsvallsposten-11-11-1875-Joseph-Kuhlman.png\" alt=\"\" class=\"wp-image-2209\" srcset=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/article-sundsvallsposten-11-11-1875-Joseph-Kuhlman.png 403w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/article-sundsvallsposten-11-11-1875-Joseph-Kuhlman-300x282.png 300w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/article-sundsvallsposten-11-11-1875-Joseph-Kuhlman-13x12.png 13w, https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2026\/03\/article-sundsvallsposten-11-11-1875-Joseph-Kuhlman-350x329.png 350w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 403px) 100vw, 403px\" \/><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Tidning \u201dSundsvallsposten den 11 november 1875.<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<\/div>\n\n\n<p>Det \u00e4r m\u00e4rkligt, denna vana att skriva p\u00e5 franska till n\u00e4ra familjemedlemmar samtidigt som man f\u00f6redrar den svenska stavningen av sitt f\u00f6rnamn, som om man tvekar mellan tv\u00e5 nationaliteter. Eller representerade det helt enkelt en syntes av tv\u00e5 historier, tv\u00e5 kulturer?<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Jag kommer d\u00e4rf\u00f6r att anv\u00e4nda formen \"Josef\" som min gammelfarfars farfar verkade \u00f6nska\u2026<\/p>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>L&rsquo;orthographe correcte du pr\u00e9nom du futur Consul G\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Su\u00e8de et Norv\u00e8ge \u00e9tait-elle Josef (en Su\u00e9dois) ou Joseph (en Fran\u00e7ais) ? Quelle importance me direz-vous et pourquoi cet article inutile ? Certains registres le mentionnent avec l&rsquo;orthographe su\u00e9doise, d&rsquo;autres fran\u00e7aise, mais c&rsquo;est l&rsquo;acte de naissance qui nous apporte la r\u00e9ponse. Ses parents, Johan Peter (1767-1839) &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/sv\/josef-ou-joseph\/\" class=\"more-link\">Forts\u00e4tt l\u00e4sa <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">Josef eller Josef?<\/span><\/a><\/p>","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"om_disable_all_campaigns":false,"_uag_custom_page_level_css":"","_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"footnotes":""},"categories":[32,33],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-2190","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-algerie","category-enigme"],"aioseo_notices":[],"uagb_featured_image_src":{"full":false,"thumbnail":false,"medium":false,"medium_large":false,"large":false,"1536x1536":false,"2048x2048":false,"trp-custom-language-flag":false,"post-thumbnail":false,"mailpoet_newsletter_max":false,"woocommerce_thumbnail":false,"woocommerce_single":false,"woocommerce_gallery_thumbnail":false},"uagb_author_info":{"display_name":"etienne.laude@yahoo.fr","author_link":"https:\/\/kuhlmansaga.com\/sv\/author\/etienne-laudeyahoo-fr\/"},"uagb_comment_info":0,"uagb_excerpt":"L&rsquo;orthographe correcte du pr\u00e9nom du futur Consul G\u00e9n\u00e9ral de Su\u00e8de et Norv\u00e8ge \u00e9tait-elle Josef (en Su\u00e9dois) ou Joseph (en Fran\u00e7ais) ? Quelle importance me direz-vous et pourquoi cet article inutile ? Certains registres le mentionnent avec l&rsquo;orthographe su\u00e9doise, d&rsquo;autres fran\u00e7aise, mais c&rsquo;est l&rsquo;acte de naissance qui nous apporte la r\u00e9ponse. 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